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FE/FT Oil Pan, Dipstick & Tube Data |
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NOTE:
Most of the information on this page was provided by the users of
the FordFE.com
forums and the FORDification.com
forums and has been consolidated here for easy reference. |
FE Dipsticks and Tubes |
The dipstick tube for any FE is dependent on the
application, not the engine displacement. While a
dipstick/tube from a 1965 Galaxie 352 might physically fit a
1972 F100 390, they are different. All '67-newer
dipstick tubes are the same length except for 4X4's. The 428
dipsticks may be marked differently for the larger volume
but they should all be interchangeable (more info below). As
long as you have a matched tube and stick it will work all
the way back to '58. The only dipsticks that had a different
level were the later CJ's and of course the rear-sump pans.
They may have varied where the tube mounted or what kind of
handle but the level indicator always ends up in the same
spot.
As an odd matter of interest, the '65 and '66 T-birds each
used a specific dipstick and tube that was not used on
anything else. The '65 T-bird dipstick is 23.22" long from
the shield to the tip and the '66 is 23.70. From the full
mark to the shield is 20.06" on a '65 and 21.56" on a '66.
While both are oddballs, the '66 (part number C6SZ-6750-B)
is more sought-after.
Early FE dipstick tubes bolted to the front of the head (using
the outermost coil bracket mount hole)
so they will work for any year, but later tubes bolted to
the forward #5 cylinder exhaust manifold bolt. If you are
running an 8-bolt head you need a dipstick tube from an
8-bolt head. If you are running a 14- or 16-bolt head, you
need a tube from either of those. The reason for this is the
bolt hole indexes the tube as to how far it enters the
block, and the mounting brackets are in different spots for
each. If you use the wrong one it could install too high or
low and give you bad readings. Not all dipstick tubes are
the same, so you need to be sure you have the correct
dipstick for the tube you have. For example, what reads
correct on a '69 won't be accurate on a '70, due to
different tube lengths.
If you have to, you can just
pour in the right amount of oil and make your own mark. Park
your vehicle on a level surface, drain the oil, replace the
filter, add 7 quarts, run the engine till hot, shut off and
let cool, mark your stick accordingly.
There was also a Service Letter from Ford in April 1969,
stating that early April production 1969 Ford's
with 390's built at the Wayne assembly plant used the wrong
dipstick. The service letter states that a 302 dipstick was
used by mistake, and it includes the length of the correct
390 dipstick.
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Here are a couple sources for FE dipsticks:
If all else fails when trying to find the correct dipstick
for your FE, just make one. There are lots of aftermarket
handles for dipsticks available in the aftermarket. With a
fresh load of oil to establish how long it should be, use a
dipstick from anything and then cut it right and fasten on
the handle. They are usually held on with a set-screw. And
you have a new chrome (or whatever) 'pretty' for your
engine.
If you're after a more semi-'factory-correct' look but are
still on a budget, try the following. Dean at
FordFE.com broke his dipstick tube off in the block and
decided to build his own:
"To make mine, I simply removed the flare from one end
of a 3/8" steel tube, and put a slight chamfer to it.
Using my broken one as a guide I put the correct bends
in it (by hand, carefully) and cut it to the correct
height. Then I used a Dremel to grind the bracket off
the old unit and smooth the inside of it. There were
only 3 spots where it was attached to the tube. I
slipped the new tube into the block, and located the
bracket. I used a Sharpie to mark the bracket location,
and [had] it tack welded at my local exhaust shop. The
whole thing could be fabricated if you don't have the
original bracket, just eyeball it. And if you are unsure
of the length, change the oil and filter, run the
engine, and cut down the pipe (with a tubing cutter)
until the full mark lines up with your stick. One coat
of Ford blue (or black, if you have an oldie) and you're
ready to roll."
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Part
numbers for the FE 4x4 rear-sump oil pan's dipstick and
tube:
The
pans were the same from 67-76 but there was a range of
dipsticks and tubes for some reason. There was also a 65/6
pans C5TZ-6675-F and C6TZ-6675-E. There is tube C6TZ-6754-D
with dipstick C6TZ-6750-D used with C6TZ-6675-E pan used up
to serial number A70,001 in 67), C7TZ-6754-A and dipstick
C7TZ-6750-B (they are a set), D5TZ-6754-D which uses
dipstick D5TZ-6750-A, and tube C4TZ-6754-C with dipstick
C6TZ-6750-C. The C7TZ-6754-A tube was superseded with the
C4TZ-6754-C in 12/85.
It is definitely very confusing but it does appear that any
mid-'67 to '76 dip stick and tube set will work with any mid
'67-'76 pan. Also note that '65 F100 4X4, '65/'66 F250 4X4,
and '65-'66 F350 2X4 used a C5AZ-6750-D dipstick and a
C5TZ-6675-F pan but I do not have a number for the matching
dipstick tube (I will keep looking).
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428CJ Dipsticks and Tubes |
As noted above, some 428CJ's used a revised level on the
dipstick, so if you replace it with another tube and
dipstick you won't be running as much oil. Here's the scoop:
Up through early-1969,
the 428CJ pan was 5 quarts.
When Ford found that the Boss 302's, 428CJ's and 429CJ/SCJ's
were running out of oil at higher RPM's, they issued a
Technical Service Bulletin in mid-1969
changing it to 6 quarts with
new pan, windage
tray,
and dipstick. (And you must have the new oil pan and windage
tray for the recall. Simply adding two quarts to an early CJ
is a formula for trouble. The revised pan and windage tray
are mandatory with that recalibrated dipstick.) In 1970
there was a new TSB (pictured here, click to enlarge) and D0
dipstick
that increased the capacity from five quarts to seven quarts
for an oil change with a new filter (six quarts in the pan,
one in the filter). Same pan, different dipstick.
It's generally believed that
Ford started seeing oil-capacity "warrantee" issues with CJ
engines because of the stock pan. The front-sump pan would
dump some oil to the rear of the engine on hard
acceleration, and oil would not return to the front sump
until the throttle is released. Ford decided that a
recalibrated dipstick would be a cheaper "warrantee fix" and
"production fix" than replacing oil pans and oil pickups on
all the previously built and sold 428CJ motors.
Here is a photo (courtesy of RDave, click to enlarge) of
both FE dipsticks lined up equally at the hub. The original
CJ dipstick (casting no. C7OE6750-A, available from
CarlsFordParts.com)
is on the top. The recalibrated CJ dipstick (D0OE-6750-C) is
on the bottom. If you were interested, and didn't want to
spend $200.00 on a NOS dipstick, you could use this photo as
a reference as to approximate where the new markings on the
recalibrated dipstick would fall on the original dipstick,
and mark it. It looks like if you were at the "E" in the
word "SAFE" on the old dipstick, you would be 2 quarts down
according to the TSB recommendation, and you would be topped
off is you were at the second letter "A" in the word
"WARRANTY". You would be down 1 quart if you were half way
in between.
In this photo, the one on top is an original from a 428CJ
(casting number C7OE-6750-A), the second one is the NOS
recalibrated CJ dipstick (casting number D0OE-6750-C), the
one in the bottom is the one from Carl's (also casting
number C7OE-6750-A), the markings are indexed exactly the
same as the top dipstick. The "advantage" or difference
between the top and bottom dipsticks which explains the
length discrepancy (all 3 dipsticks are even at the hub for
the photo) is that the one on the bottom lets you know when
you are 2 quarts "gulp" down (which you may already be if
you are only filling to the full mark on either the top or
bottom dipsticks!, on the recalibrated dipstick, it would
read 4 quarts down "double gulp"!)
Nowadays, I'd advise buying a $99.00 Milodon oil pan from
Jegs or Summit to get the functional equivalent of a CJ pan
(factory oil pickup is fine), buy a new CJ-type windage tray
from any of many places, then replace the oil filter and add
7 quarts of oil. Start the engine to get the oil warmed and
flowing, move the car to level concrete, turn it off, and
then check the original dipstick. Where the oil now sits is
the new and correct level. Just install a scratch line on
the dipstick, and you're set.
Note that if you bend the dipstick even a little, it is
no longer properly calibrated. If it's slightly bent or if
the tube is slightly mis-positioned, the tip is likely to
hit the pump and deflect away from the oil bath altogether.
When increasing the volume of oil in the pan as described
above, use of a windage tray is recommended
to keep the oil out of the
rotating assembly. However, most aftermarket windage trays
do not have the necessary hole drilled in it to allow the
dipstick and tube to extend through it, so an
appropriately-located 1/2" hole must be marked and drilled. |
Installing/Removing Dipstick Tubes |
The dipstick tube doesn't go into the block very far...maybe
1/4"-3/8". The mounting tab on the upper end will bolt into
the forward exhaust manifold bolt (if you're using standard
8-bolt cylinder heads) and leave about a 1/4"-1/2" from the
tube rib to the block. (The rib does NOT go all the way to
the block!) While it's sometimes possible to jam the
tube all the way in down to the rib, this will extend the
tube and dipstick too far into the block, giving you an
incorrect (low) oil level reading.
In the interests of maintaining a cleaner engine
compartment, a good seal at the bottom of the tube is
desirable. However, most folks are not partial to
introducing silicone sealant anywhere in the oiling system,
or where it can end up there...so here's what you should do:
Using a Q-tip, apply a light coating of Permatex #2 gasket
cement to the inside of the tube hole in the block. Apply
another coating on the bottom end of the tube itself. Insert
the tube into the block hole, using hand pressure and
aligning things as best you can. Then drop a short #2
Phillips screwdriver (with a plastic handle) into the top
end of the tube, so the handle rests against the tube
itself. Give it one or two good raps with a hammer, to seat
the tube fully.
If the retaining bracket's hole doesn't align correctly
with the front exhaust manifold bolt hole on #5 cylinder, do
any of the following to correct that:
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Straighten or re-bend the tube slightly, using hand
pressure
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Bend
the bracket up or down to suit, using a pair of pliers
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File
the bracket's bolt hole slightly until it aligns
Then install your dipstick and check for binding as it's
inserted. Also check for the lower end hitting on any of the
crank/rods/windage tray/oil pickup/sump baffles.
Then you need to check the calibration of the dipstick by
draining the oil, replacing the filter, and filling as
specified. Circulate the oil, move to level ground, and mark
a new 'full' line on the dipstick.
When installing headers, it's common to have them touching
the dipstick tube. However, you shouldn't bend the tube for
clearance. This will simply recalibrate the dipstick, as it
will enter the engine at a different angle. This is a
problem which typically ends up in horrid dipstick action,
since it also becomes tough to install and remove.
Installing a spacer washer and using a unique-length bolt
will likely be the best solution.
Removing a dipstick tube: Normally, as long as you
ensure it's not still bolted in, you can simply twist and
pull to remove the tube. However, if its stuck in the block,
put a bolt in the top of the tube to prevent crushing, and
then use ViceGrips to twist the tube back and forth until it
slips out. |
FE/FT Oil Pans |
A full-sump FT (361/391) oil pan (as
used on the Louisville and cab-over Ford trucks)
will
bolt up to an FE engine and
is a very popular swap on pickup
trucks and works fine.
The
factory-rated capacity of the pan is 8 quarts, although it will
hold up to about 13 quarts. However, the
trick is to baffle it and run seven quarts of oil.
It has a pan-mounted dipstick, located on the right side.
However, if you bolt one of these onto your FE with a
block-mounted dipstick, you'll notice that the block dipstick
shows a little more oil than the pan dipstick. You can use
either the block or the pan dipstick...just be sure and plug the
hole you don't use. Then put in seven quarts of oil and remark
the dipstick. (NOTE: the FE rear-sump pan-mounted dipstick tube
setup is not interchangeable with the FT full-sump dipstick tube
assembly.) |
NOTE: The 'full' level of an oil pan is always measured from
the pan rail. Therefore, the depth of the oil pan has no effect
on the accuracy of the dipstick. |
The dipstick tube hole in the block is sealed with a small plug,
basically a very small press-fit freeze plug.
The hole is double-stepped,
permitting a .375" diameter soft plug to be punched 0.80" into
the hole until it seats firmly against the .313" diameter step
at the base of the .373"-.374" diameter portion of the hole.
Other tricks to plugging the hole in the block include:
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A 9mm Luger cartridge case is a good fit (use the
nickel-plated ones). Leave the expired primer in it and use
a Q-tip to smear some RTV in the top of the block hole
before you tap it into place.
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Thread the hole in the block and screw in a
readily-available Allen-head plug.
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Use a small length of wooden dowel. The oil it soaks up will
cause the dowel to swell up and seal the hole.
Conversely, if you're installing a 4WD FE engine in your truck
but are using a 2WD front-sump pan, you'll have to knock the
factory plug out. If the oil pan is off, you can drive it up
from the bottom. Otherwise, use a small punch to poke a hole in
the plug and pull it out with a slide hammer. (DON'T attempt to
drill it out, as that will drop metal shavings down into the oil
pan!)
When swapping on an FT pan, you'll also need the matching pickup
tube, as well as the special main cap bolt, which has a threaded
extension to attach the pickup tube.
FE 4x4 and FT oil pans have the dipstick mounted on the side of
the pan, as opposed to through the block in car and 2WD truck
applications.
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Misc. Notes |
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Looking for a rear-sump oil pan for your small-block? The
'66-'77 Broncos and vans use a
rear-sump pan with a pan-mounted dipstick. Another possible
donor is the early Fox Mustang 302 pan. From '79 to about
'82 they used a dual-sump pan that had the dipstick in the
pan. I think '83 was when the dipstick was moved to the
block.
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